What boat would you buy to circumnavigate the UK and beyond, with only £5k?

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You have contradicted yourself. You own the shovel.....
In what way?
On that, I agree. Buy cheapo boat and that's the blast. Keep It Simple Stupid as they say.
Yup you can buy a £5K boat and sail it locally and find out all the things that are wrong with it that you haven't budgeted for or you can buy a good well regarded boat that is in commission from a well regarded and experienced sailor. Hmmm let me think about that one. Here's that shovel. 😁
 

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Mmm. So you would recommend, despite having posted that, the op buys some old boat in France. Good one.
Some old boat!!!!. Somehow I think one might struggle to find something more suitable and well maintained. Id hazard a guess she would cope admirably with an Atlantic crossing as she is. Poignard dont do it and get out there sailing.

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Assuming the boat is in decent condition, and has the bare minimum to get you sailing, making additions and upgrades year on year?

My list is currently Vega, Halcyon, Invicta as I'm influenced towards older folkboats.

I'm 193 cm tall and would prefer more room, and to be less worried about full keel and protected rudder - but this is the advice I am always given.

Keen to hear from others!
I hope that you are still with us and that somewhere amongst all our ramblings and diversions you can find some encouragement. Go for it in your own way, as we have all done. There is no one "right answer", we all find our own.
 

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It is very different from a typical series of day sails, because there's usually pressure to make progress and end up back at the start in a limited time.
Nobody from the South Coast really wants to have their boat stuck in Hartlepool or similar when the weather runs out in September.
I'm sure sailors based elsewhere would wince at racking up Solent bills over the Winter?
There isn't always a convenient stopping place to suit the wind and tide available each day.
Most people end up using more diesel than it would take to drive to all the ports they visit.

Personally, having sailed most of the course at assorted times, I can see no great merit in the 'bucket list' trip around over one summer, but if you're going to do it at low risk of failure and disappointment, you need a decent, well sorted fairly fast boat with a good engine and plenty of credit cards. It's also much easier with a crew.
Having done the full round Britain singlehanded, I have to disagree with you. It is a series of day sails. I should have left in late April but final preparations took longer and I left nearly a month later. You mention time pressures, but I was flexible on my route with the only critical points were rounding Out Stack, meeting my daughter and grandson in North Wales,and attending the whole of the Southampton Boat Show. It took 5 months and I had plenty of days in port exploring the places I visited. There were a few days that strong winds changed my depature days, but as I am happy to sail in predicted winds of force 7, the winds have to be very strong to stop me. If someone only wishes to sail in fair winds only then this can cause some time problems.

Pretty any well founded boat can do a round Britain, size does not really matter if the skipper is confident in their abilities. I certainly believe I could find a boat for £5,000 that could do the trip, but at least another couple of thousand would be needed for preparation and allow another couple of thousand for the expenses of the trip (excluding food, drink, shore activities, possible trips home with associated extended berth costs).

The only problem that has not be mentioned is lonelyness. I know of one forum member who could not stand his own company and had to ask friends to help him to sail his boat back from Scotland.

B27 just because you have sailed parts of the round Britain on a crewed boat, it is no where close to doing it on your own and on your own boat. It is certainly a bucket list item for many sailors (even if the use the Caledonian Canal). There is so much planning required (with some associated costs for charts, etc), including navigating, entering strange harbours (sometimes at night or rough weather), safely anchoring or berthing, staying in contact with family and friends, etc.

There have been a few comments about the NE coast being boring, however I must disagree. Along the NE England coast you sail close to the shore with changing shoreline and see many castles. The NE Scottish coast is fairly sparse, but still has some interesting ports. All round the UK there are some interesting things to see but there are sections where you sail all day without seeing any coast.
 

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As I said earlier it's straight forward until you decide to go around the top especially if you go to some of the more remote areas I accept that the Faroe Isles are not included but the passage to the Shetlands can be entertaining.
If it was essential to have only one kind of boat to go there it would be a pretty empty space. It is clearly your preference to have only one kind of boat but the majority (including those who sail in those waters may not agree.
 

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It is very different from a typical series of day sails, because there's usually pressure to make progress and end up back at the start in a limited time.
Nobody from the South Coast really wants to have their boat stuck in Hartlepool or similar when the weather runs out in September.
I'm sure sailors based elsewhere would wince at racking up Solent bills over the Winter?
There isn't always a convenient stopping place to suit the wind and tide available each day.
Most people end up using more diesel than it would take to drive to all the ports they visit.

Personally, having sailed most of the course at assorted times, I can see no great merit in the 'bucket list' trip around over one summer, but if you're going to do it at low risk of failure and disappointment, you need a decent, well sorted fairly fast boat with a good engine and plenty of credit cards. It's also much easier with a crew.
You write as if there is only "one way" and it is fraught with problems. amazing then that anybody does it at all. There are so many ways of going about it from taking years to dashing round as quickly as possible with as few stops as possible. The series of day sails seems to be the most popular for th very reasons you see as problems.

None of us has any real idea of what the OPs actual plans are, nor what his experience is other than he is 6'3" tall, has very little money in relation to his plan, is an aspiring liveaboard and has seen boats as diverse as a Macwester 32 ketch, Halcyon 27 and Anderson 22.

Everything is a mix of guesswork and people riding their hobbyhorses.
 

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For all the pessimism here.

Much depends on the OP's view on standards of equipment needed and risk. Looking at replacement costs for various items.
Rigging 2k
Sails 2k
Engine 10k
Plotter & auto pilot 1.5 to 4k
Just ball park figures new. Anyone who's spent that is not going to want to sell for 5k.

Yes you can buy a boat for 5k it's what state is in. He needs to look long and hard, get lucky or be prepared to spend on some aspects.

Now some more numbers.
Distance around UK approx 2500 Nm.
Let's say 4 knot average on size of boat he's looking at.
625 hours or 26 days.
Day hops so that's 52 days.
Add in weather days so let's say 75 days or 2.5 months.
Add rest stops or tourist days 3 months.
That's excluding time for breakdowns and repairs.

3 months is not far from the mark IMHO for a quick circumnavigation.

To complete in a year, and have time to enjoy I would want to start in April finish in August/September.

Yes he could do it in 26 days in theory, but he would miss much.

In practice it's 3 to 6 months.

Others who have done it might correct me.

If your looking for a cheap boat, look for more unusual boats. Long keel boats as highlighted here are less popular. Some say they have there advantages.
Bildge Keels can have advantages but can hold value, due to cheaper moorings costs.
 
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If it was essential to have only one kind of boat to go there it would be a pretty empty space. It is clearly your preference to have only one kind of boat but the majority (including those who sail in those waters may not agree.
I don't suggest one kind of boat what I suggest is a boat that is a far better choice for many reasons than many including a Westerly Centaur
 

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I see, thanks.

Instead of trying to get a one-size-fits-all boat for unrealistic money, I should start with a slightly bigger budget if I can (£10k) and focus on coastal sailing locally, leading to maybe my first channel crossing eventually.

I have sailing clothing and a life jacket.

Now I need to research suitable £10k boats, go and visit as many as I can., with a focus on best condition boat rather than pedigree, and get over the fear of light displacement and spade rudders.
I would say that's a very sensible approach.
 

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For all the pessimism here.

Much depends on the OP's view on standards of equipment needed and risk. Looking at replacement costs for various items.
Rigging 2k
Sails 2k
Engine 10k
Plotter & auto pilot 1.5 to 4k
Just ball park figures new. Anyone who's spent that is not going to want to sell for 5k.
I have to disagree with the last bit - I think it is pretty easy to find a small boat for <£5k where the owner has done most of that and the boat is pretty much ready to cast off and sail.

The key is in picking the good from the bad - but finding one with recent receipts for work is a good indication that the owner has kept up with the maintenance.

And the OP is not setting off round the world - he is looking to sail round UK - IMHO very little preparation is needed for a well found boat - if anything comes up it can always be fixed in the next harbour / marina.
 

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I have to disagree with the last bit - I think it is pretty easy to find a small boat for <£5k where the owner has done most of that and the boat is pretty much ready to cast off and sail.

I think this highlights the return of “upgrades” when you sell an old boat. What you put in just makes it easier to sell, and doesn’t particularly add much to the market value.
 

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I think this highlights the return of “upgrades” when you sell an old boat. What you put in just makes it easier to sell, and doesn’t particularly add much to the market value.
There are old boats where previous owners have put money into upgrades and seen that as the cost of using the boat.
Then there are a lot more old boats which have slowly declined to not being used much over the past 'n' years, where the upgrades stopped happening ages ago.
The value of any boat is what a buyer will pay.

Many boats will be in between, some stuff will have been upgraded, other stuff is 'time served'.
 

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And the OP is not setting off round the world - he is looking to sail round UK - IMHO very little preparation is needed for a well found boat
As I have already admitted, I have never set out to sail "Round Britain". I have however bought a number of boats in the south of England and sailed them home to either Shetland or Orkney, along with similar passages in either direction made for other reasons. The passages were made both with crew or single handed. In all but one cases the primary object was to get from one end of Britain to the other so can be regarded as delivery trips. Stops were only made as required for fuel, rests, or to avoid strong head winds.

In my experience "its not a big deal", just set out and do it. Sail when conditions are suitable and stop when you feel its appropriate.

An example of this philosophy was a single handed visit to my aunts in Scarborough. A nice northerly allowed a direct passage from Orkney to Scarborough. The northerlies were still around during the return passage so I had a few days in Blyth and again in Peterhead while they were too fresh for my taste.
 
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On reflection I think this is quite an interesting thread. Who in fact is qualified to give the advice?

Not me although I have to all intents and purposes sailed around the UK including the more remote and challenging parts but not in the sense that most would consider a circumnavigation and not in one go but the passages were singlehanded but again not in a £5K boat or even close. I have though sailed in such boats but it has been short coastal sailing with facilities close at hand. Now much has been made of the fact that that is all that a UK circumnavigation is and 90% of it is but there are some with long stretches of sailing in exposed areas where if there were a problem life would quickly become difficult. For me it's risk management and there are elements of the voyage that contain "risks" which can be managed by a strong and able sailor who chooses his weather windows carefully and is prepared to have some very long days and possibly nights because in those conditions the boats in question may not average the 4 knots. However all is possible corks and letters in sealed bottles make far longer and more arduous journeys and a boat can be made like a cork ( almost)
So who is qualified there are people on here that sail £5K and under boats and no doubt are for the most well maintained and they have total confidence in them but just what type of sailing do they do? I will wager that the most experienced have spent a lot of time fettling their boats and developed the skills necessary to sail and maintain them. There is a forum member that doesn't post on here much now that took a sturdy boat in need of a lot of fettling and has sailed it down to Portugal where amongst many other things he had to fit a new engine.
So yes it can be done and I have no doubt that a Leisure 17 could do it, they have sailed further but I wouldn't recommend the OP to try it in one.
Finally the OP has said that he could with time push the budget to £10K which is beginning to look more promising ( Poignard will be rubbing his hands together in anticipation of a sale 😁 ) But what the OP has not mentioned is, is he aware of the additional costs that many have indicated and as seasoned cruisers understand and consider part of the joy of sailing. Does he intend to anchor for most of the time or expect to use marinas, what is his time available for the voyage? In any case it's too late for this year so the sound advice would be to buy what he can and likes and get to know and prepare it ready for next year, however as for many next year might not come when he finds the true costs and pleasures of owning a hole in the water.
 
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On reflection I think this is quite an interesting thread. Who in fact is qualified to give the advice?

Not me although I have to all intents and purposes sailed around the UK including the more remote and challenging parts but not in the sense that most would consider a circumnavigation and not in one go but the passages were singlehanded but again not in a £5K boat or even close. I have though sailed in such boats but it has been short coastal sailing with facilities close at hand. Now much has been made of the fact that that is all that a UK circumnavigation is and 90% of it is but there are some with long stretches of sailing in exposed areas where if there were a problem life would quickly become difficult. For me it's risk management and their are elements of the voyage that contain "risks" which can be managed by a strong and able sailor who chooses his weather windows carefully and is prepared to have some very long days and possibly nights because in those conditions the boats in question may not average the 4 knots. However all is possible corks and letters in sealed bottles make far longer and more arduous journeys and a boat can be made like a cork ( almost)
So who is qualified there are people on here that sail £5K and under boats and no doubt are for the most well maintained and they have total confidence in them but just what type of sailing do they do? I will wager that the most experienced have spent a lot of time fettling their boats and developed the skills necessary to sail and maintain them. There is a forum member that doesn't post on here much now that took a sturdy boat in need of a lot of fettling and has sailed it down to Portugal where amongst many other things he had to fit a new engine.
So yes it can be done and I have no doubt that a Leisure 17 could do it, they have sailed further but I wouldn't recommend the OP to try it in one.
Finally the OP has said that he could with time push the budget to £10K which is beginning to look more promising ( Poignard will be rubbing his hands together in anticipation of a sale 😁 ) But what the OP has not mentioned is, is he aware of the additional costs that many have indicated and as seasoned cruisers understand and consider part of the joy of sailing. Does he intend to anchor for most of the time or expect to use marinas, what is his time available for the voyage? In any case it's too late for this year so the sound advice would be to buy what he can and likes and get to know and prepare it ready for next year, however as for many next year might not come when he finds the true costs and pleasures of owning a hole in the water.
Fair comment.
I think anyone who's read a few of the 'captain calamity' type stories about ill-prepared beginners setting off in ill-prepared boats can see the pitfalls.

As an aside, I'm on here today because I've got some sort of cold/flu bug.
It's bloody annoying, but I can imagine it would be even worse if I were losing 4 or 5 days sailing when I was starting to be pressured to make progress. Would only be worse for any poor bugger sharing the cabin I suppose!
Many people find there are many things which work against devoting a solid few months to one thing!

There are plenty of affordable boats out there which could easily give someone a Summer of going to France and Back, Cornwall or whatever depending on where you're based.
If you delete the requirement to 'achieve' 2500 miles, then you don't need to motor nearly so much, which deletes a huge cost and opens up a field of boats with aux outboards.
 

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I think it’s beholden to anysailer to at least learn a bit of the tradition and skills to be a mariner inthe process are errant sailer will have the skills and respect for the sea……what we don’t want are people thinking it’s ok to just set off in any craft because they have seen it on YT….not that the OP has
 
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